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TheQueen
03-21-2010, 08:51 PM
March 21, 2010
Op-Ed Columnist
Eraser Duty for Bart?
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON

Angry nuns have been calling Congressman Bart Stupak’s office to complain about his dismissive comments on their bravura decision to make a literal Hail Mary pass, break with Catholic bishops and endorse the health care bill.

As a Catholic schoolboy, the Michigan Democrat had his share of nuns who rapped his knuckles when he misbehaved, like the time he crashed a kickball through the school window.

So, of course, he’s having some acid flashbacks, but he told me, “They’re not printable even in The New York Times.”

Like that other troublemaking Bart (Simpson), Stupak, who wants to kill the health care bill because he thinks the language on abortion funding is not restrictive enough, should have to write on the blackboard a hundred times: “I will listen closely when the nuns tell me I am wrong. I will not be an obstinate lawmaker.”

Stupak got in hot holy water when he told Fox News, “When I’m drafting right-to-life language, I don’t call up nuns.” He followed that with more scorn for sisters, telling Chris Matthews that the nuns were not influential because they rarely try to influence — which makes no sense — and because “they’re not the recognized spokesperson for the Catholic Church.” He listens to the bishops, he said, and antiabortion groups.

We might have to bang Bart’s head into a blackboard a few times before he realizes that in a moral tug-of-war between the sisters and the bishops, you have to go with the gals.

The nuns are giving the Democrats cover. As Bob Casey, an abortion opponent who helped negotiate the abortion language in the Senate bill, observed, quoting Scripture: “They care for ‘the least, the last and the lost.’ And they know health care.”

On Friday, Tim Ryan, an antiabortion Democrat from Ohio, took to the House floor to say he had been influenced by the nuns to vote for the bill.

“You say this is pro-abortion,” he said to Republicans, and yet “you have 59,000 Catholic nuns from across the country endorsing this bill, 600 Catholic hospitals, 1,400 Catholic nursing homes endorsing this bill.”

For decades, the nuns did the bidding of the priests, cleaned up their messes, and watched as their male superiors let a perverted stain spread over the entire church, a stain that has now even reached the Holy See. It seemed that the nuns were strangely silent, either because they suspected but had no proof — the “Doubt” syndrome — or because they had no one to tell but male bosses protecting one another in that repugnant and hypocritical old-boys’ network.

Their goodness was rewarded with a stunning slap from the über-conservative Pope Benedict XVI. The Vatican is conducting two inquisitions into the “quality of life” of American nuns, trying to knock any independence or modernity out of them.

The witch hunt has sparked the nuns to have a voice at last. Vulnerable children were not protected by the male hierarchy of the church, which treated sexual abuse as a failure of character rather than a crime. The men were so arrogant it never occurred to them that they should be accountable to the secular world. In their warped thinking, it was better to let children suffer than to call the authorities, embarrass the church and risk diminished power.

Now the bishops think that it’s better to deprive poor people of good health care than to let the church look like it’s going soft on abortion.

Under the semantic dodge of ideological purity, the bishops also are doing the bidding of the Republicans, trying to kill the bill and weaken the president. But the nuns are right when they say that “the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions” and that its protection of pregnant women is the “real pro-life stance.”

The nuns stepped up to support true Catholic dogma, making sure poor people get proper health care. (Which would lead to fewer abortions anyway.)

The men running the church seem oblivious to the fact that, with the ranks of priests and sisters dwindling, they can’t afford to alienate the nuns who make their schools and hospitals run smoothly.

And now, just as he’s finally issuing a pastoral letter about the Irish clerical child abuse, the pope himself has been ensnared in the international scandal, with a psychiatrist in Germany saying that an archdiocese that Benedict led at the time ignored warnings in the 1980s that a priest accused of sexually abusing boys had to be “kept away from working with children.”

Because Pope Benedict has addressed the sex scandal belatedly and sparsely, stonewalling on the skeleton in his German closet, he has lost authority to speak about the issue consuming his church.

The only internal investigation he has undertaken with alacrity, for heaven’s sake, is the one bullying American nuns.

Christy
03-21-2010, 10:10 PM
Let's see bias from the other side shall we? :goofy

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/usccb_dissenting_women_religious_grossly_overstate _support_on_health_care/


USCCB: Dissenting women religious 'grossly overstate' support on health care


Washington D.C., Mar 18, 2010 / 02:59 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- A letter of support for the Senate health care bill from NETWORK, a women's religious group claiming to have the support of 59,000 sisters in supporting the current Senate health care bill, has caused the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to state that the group “grossly overstated” the number of sisters who endorse their position.

In a recent letter to the House of Representatives, NETWORK said it represents 59,000 women religious across the U.S. and urged members of Congress to “cast a life affirming 'yes' vote” to the Senate health care bill. Wednesday's letter also stated that “despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions” and “will uphold longstanding conscience protections.”

Sr. Mary Ann Walsh, director of Media Relations at the USCCB, stated on Thursday afternoon that “the recent letter from Network, a social justice lobby of sisters, grossly overstated whom they represent in a letter to Congress that was also released to media.”

“Network’s letter, about health care reform, was signed by a few dozen people, and despite what Network said, they do not come anywhere near representing 59,000 American sisters,” Sr. Walsh clarified.

“The letter had 55 signatories, some individuals, some groups of three to five persons. One endorser signed twice,” she added. “There are 793 religious communities in the United States.”

“The math is clear. Network is far off the mark,” the U.S. bishops' spokeswoman concluded

You can't trade an evil for something good, it just doesn't work out. Sorry. We don't need unlimited access to abortions and federal funding to cover the rapes, incests, and life of the mother situations everybody is always so damn worried about.

TheQueen
03-22-2010, 12:39 AM
I was focusing more on the aspect of nuns doing the hard work while the good 'ol boy bishop network gets to dictate to the women how they should serve the community overall. I've always been a supporter of nuns. The good nuns I should add. Priests and brothers, not so much.

Christy
03-22-2010, 10:34 AM
Oh right :blush

Well, if we are ever on jeopardy, and the category is "religious institutions" and the answer is "This is the fastest changing religion in human history" do not answer "What is the catholic church"

:goofy

However, knowing a little about religious life of priests and nuns (because Andy was seriously considering being a priest, and is seriously asking his girls to contemplate religious life, he's done a lot of research, and he talks a lot :lookaroun ) I don't know they are as repressed as the article wants us to believe, or that the bishops are as repressive. :shrug

figmentmom
03-22-2010, 11:44 PM
For decades, the nuns did the bidding of the priests, cleaned up their messes, and watched as their male superiors let a perverted stain spread over the entire church, a stain that has now even reached the Holy See. It seemed that the nuns were strangely silent, either because they suspected but had no proof — the “Doubt” syndrome — or because they had no one to tell but male bosses protecting one another in that repugnant and hypocritical old-boys’ network.

Their goodness was rewarded with a stunning slap from the über-conservative Pope Benedict XVI. The Vatican is conducting two inquisitions into the “quality of life” of American nuns, trying to knock any independence or modernity out of them.

The witch hunt has sparked the nuns to have a voice at last. Vulnerable children were not protected by the male hierarchy of the church, which treated sexual abuse as a failure of character rather than a crime. The men were so arrogant it never occurred to them that they should be accountable to the secular world. In their warped thinking, it was better to let children suffer than to call the authorities, embarrass the church and risk diminished power.

Now the bishops think that it’s better to deprive poor people of good health care than to let the church look like it’s going soft on abortion.

Under the semantic dodge of ideological purity, the bishops also are doing the bidding of the Republicans, trying to kill the bill and weaken the president. But the nuns are right when they say that “the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions” and that its protection of pregnant women is the “real pro-life stance.”

The nuns stepped up to support true Catholic dogma, making sure poor people get proper health care. (Which would lead to fewer abortions anyway.)

The men running the church seem oblivious to the fact that, with the ranks of priests and sisters dwindling, they can’t afford to alienate the nuns who make their schools and hospitals run smoothly.

And now, just as he’s finally issuing a pastoral letter about the Irish clerical child abuse, the pope himself has been ensnared in the international scandal, with a psychiatrist in Germany saying that an archdiocese that Benedict led at the time ignored warnings in the 1980s that a priest accused of sexually abusing boys had to be “kept away from working with children.”

Because Pope Benedict has addressed the sex scandal belatedly and sparsely, stonewalling on the skeleton in his German closet, he has lost authority to speak about the issue consuming his church.

The only internal investigation he has undertaken with alacrity, for heaven’s sake, is the one bullying American nuns.

I'm going to leave the topic of the health-care bill alone for now. Instead, the two points made in this article that I find the MOST interesting are how vigorously Benedict is "investigating" the financial and procedural lives of American nuns (who have, as this article points out, been cleaning up after the Church's dirty work for years), and how Benedict is studiously avoiding coming clean about his own affiliation with the Nazis. Too, the Irish Church is embroiled in its own sex scandals - and Irish Catholics are enraged. I fear it will not end there, by any means.

As a Catholic, this is deeply demoralizing to me.

Christy, the reading that I've done about the reaction of various orders of nuns to Benedict's inquisition is that they are terribly upset by the implication that he feels they are somehow not doing the work they promised to do when they took their vows. The interviews I've read have expressed the feeling that the nuns have been doing all the dirty work all along, working with the poor and the victimized, while those responsible for that abuse have been allowed to maintain their respected positions within the church. They have no problem being audited - as long as EVERYONE is subject to the same scrutiny. In fact, I have a great-aunt in one of those orders, and I can tell you first-hand that's EXACTLY how she feels.